For Once, Not About Mice: Lotus Adventures in Registry Hell
After I gushed two weeks ago about the gorgeous, running 1969 Lotus Elan +2 I was able to buy because both a serious mouse contamination issue, and the fact that the wife of the deceased owner wanted to sell the car before winter, allowed me to craft the right offer, some of you are probably wondering why I didn’t immediately write an article with the obligatory photos of the Lotus heater box equivalent of Mouse King Tut’s tomb, and instead threw together a lightweight piece about how a glove got stuck in my other Lotus’ cooling fan (and yes, I’m now a guy who can say “my other Lotus”).
The answer is that I thought I was going to have to return the car.
Wait, what?
Here’s what happened.
I looked at the Elan +2 in New Hampshire on the Sunday before Halloween. The next day, I made the offer, the seller accepted, I wired her the money, and insured the car with Hagerty. The broker who had possession of the car was available on Thursday. I reserved a U-Haul auto transporter, picked it up first thing Thursday morning, hitched it to the Nissan Armada—my first tow with the full Moog-Bilstein replacement for the defunct self-leveling rear suspension—and drove up to Sandown, New Hampshire to pass papers and grab the car. As I’ve written about elsewhere, even when a U-Haul dealer is nearby, the totality of hitching, loading, unloading, unhitching, and returning makes for a long day. The car was only about an hour north of me, but end-to-end, the whole thing still took six hours.
But I didn’t care. I was over the moon. The video of me driving the +2 off the trailer can be seen here. I immediately took a victory lap around the neighborhood, which ended in the car’s right front wheel grinding badly. Hey, whatever. Literal noise in the big picture of things. Probably just a worn pad or a stuck caliper. Add it to the punch list. I drove the car into the garage, parked it in the spot of honor over the mid-rise lift, and immediately began investigating the mouse issue by pulling off the corrugated hoses connecting the heater box to the vents.
The following morning, I went to the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles (motto: “Where dreams go to die”) with the car’s New Hampshire title, the packet of estate sale documents that the broker prepared, and the Massachusetts Registration and Title Application (RTA) form that Hagerty sent me. The registry agent pored over the documents, found them in order, and began to register the car.
And then it all hit the fan. I heard the agent utter the word “stolen,” and got a sick feeling in my gut. She called over another agent. They conferred, then phoned a third agent. I heard one of them say “no, it hasn’t been purged.” I was told that, according to some database that sounded like “enema vee teets” (I’m sorry, but that’s what I heard), the car was “marked as stolen” and therefore couldn’t be registered. The agent printed a document for me—the registry version of walking papers—summarizing the failed application. It listed the car’s make and model, the short 6-digit VIN (502164), the “marked as stolen” status, and that the theft date was 03-June-1987 and the law agency associated with the theft report was the Yarmouth, Massachusetts police department.
I was dumbfounded. This wasn’t some sketchy barn-find car. It was legally titled in New Hampshire by the owner in 2013 and sold by his estate with all manner of documentation including his death certificate.
“What am I supposed to do?” I asked the agent. She was not terribly helpful, saying only that it’s the seller’s responsibility to clear the “marked as stolen” status.
I walked out of the registry in a daze. This passion purchase, the car I looked forward to spending happy wrenching and driving hours with during these stressful times, was suddenly a massive source of the very stress it was supposed to alleviate.
I immediately texted and emailed the broker and the seller (the owner’s wife), thereby creating a paper trail telling them what happened and stating that if there was no path to registering the car in my home state, I’d need to return it. To their enormous credit, they both responded quickly, stating unequivocally that they’d take the car back if this couldn’t be worked out.
The broker then called me. This is a fellow with a lot of experience handling automotive estate sales. He talked me down off the ledge, explaining that just because a car is “marked as stolen” doesn’t mean it has a rightful owner who can take it back and deprive you of your car and your money. A car can be stolen and then recovered, or declared totaled by the insurance company and then sold as a salvage vehicle, or taken by a spouse during a bitter divorce, reported stolen, and then apportioned along with other joint property.
All these things can happen without the record being cleared. Or, since the Lotus is a pre-1981 car that doesn’t have a standard 17-digit VIN and has non-unique 6-digit one instead, it’s possible that the stolen vehicle report wasn’t even for this car. He said that his experience was that there’s probably some old information in the database, that the Massachusetts RMV is persnickety about stuff like this, and that he’d call the New Hampshire RMV and look into it.
Let’s get back to that database. The acronym I misheard is NMVTIS, which stands for the National Motor Vehicle Title Information Service. It’s run by the Department of Justice and acts as a central clearinghouse for stolen vehicle information. If you go to the NMVTIS website, you’ll learn that you as an average schmo don’t have access to it—it’s for law enforcement, insurance agencies, state registries, and the like. I felt like I was being put in a position where I didn’t have the right to face my accuser.
However, the NMVTIS website lists the partnerships they have with a variety of for-fee VIN-searching agencies. Surprisingly, Carfax is not one of them, at least not at the consumer level. And, like Carfax, most of the agencies listed only process modern 17-digit VINs. But by stepping through all the listed partners, I found that Bumper.com accepted the Lotus’ 6-digit VIN. I spent the $5 to sign up for a trial membership, and learned that Bumper reported a 98 percent probability that the VIN belonged to a 1965 Ford Falcon station wagon, but had no theft information for it.
As a test of how it handled other short VINs, I entered the seven-digit VINs for three of my 1970s-era BMWs. It reported that all three of them were Volkswagen Beetles, and they’re not, thus showing that the potential non-uniqueness of short VINs is not an academic issue. This was all interesting, but it didn’t strike me as something I could take to the RMV as proof of anything. As my mind raced, I began to worry that this might be a case where they would overrule a valid New Hampshire title and the absence of anything definitive in NMVTIS because the reported theft occurred here in Massachusetts and the case was never closed.
I set several things in motion. The idea that I was going to be Paul Drake, Jim Rockford, and Magnum P.I. and gumshoe my way to the 37-year-old truth was ludicrous, but I found the name and contact info for the records officer at the Yarmouth police department, and sent him an email asking for any records pertaining to the theft of VIN 502164 on the date listed. I never heard back, so I went to my local police station. The officer there said that he couldn’t access old theft records from another town, but was happy to search for the VIN (which I assume accessed NMVTIS) to see if came up stolen. He wasn’t a car guy and was confused by the short VIN, but he ran it, and found nothing. I asked him if he could print that result, but he said “I can’t print nothing.” I wasn’t sure if he didn’t understand that I was asking for a screen shot, or if the program didn’t allow that and only allowed a printed report if it found something, but the upshot was that I left without anything I could take to the registry.
Next, although the Elan +2 was insured through Hagerty, I thought that my local agent who insures our daily drivers and our house might have more Massachusetts-specific boots-on-the-ground knowledge. I literally sent her an email titled “I’m using my ‘I’ve been a loyal customer for decades’ free-spin card,” and told her I’d buy her flowers and chocolate if she could help. She said she’d make contact with the compliance officer at the registry, which I appreciated but it didn’t sound like a magic bullet.
After the weekend, the broker called me saying that he spoke with two of the car’s previous owners, neither of whom knew anything about a reported theft. Coincidentally, one of them actually lived on Cape Cod not far from Yarmouth, but the car never ran during his ownership (which was decades after 1987), and he’d never registered it in Massachusetts. He also spoke with the title desk at the New Hampshire DMV, who reported that they could see that the car had been “marked as stolen” in NMVTIS, but that the status had been changed to “purged.” He said that they said that if the Massachusetts RMV rechecked the information in NMVTIS, they should see the “purged” status. I thanked him, but I thought that me returning to the Massachusetts registry and telling them how the New Hampshire registry thinks they should do their job was unlikely to be a path to success.
While all this was going on, I wasn’t sure whether or not I should be working on the car. I certainly wasn’t about to go all-in on tearing out the mouse-infested heater box if I might have to return it, but the grinding front wheel was a potentially awkward issue. It didn’t do that when I bought it, and the idea of returning it in a broken condition where someone else couldn’t test-drive it felt wrong. I jacked up the car and found that one of the bolts securing the front right caliper had snapped off, likely long ago, allowing the caliper to rotate and hit the rotor. Should I go to the effort of drilling out the bolt on a car I might have to return?
I wasn’t sure what to do next, so I contacted a guy I know through local car circles who is both a lawyer and a much more serious collector than I am. He asked me if I wanted to keep the car and if I had a paper trail for the seller and broker agreeing to take it back if things went south. I said yes to both. He said, “So we’re not talking about suing the seller.” I explained that I was primarily interested in the intersection of the 37-year-old stolen vehicle report and NMVITIS, and told him what the broker said about the New Hampshire DMV saying that the car’s status was “purged.” He recommended that I try to get a printed report attesting to that. I thanked him profusely for his advice, then contacted the broker and asked him to go into the registry in person and get evidence of the “purged” status. Unfortunately, he was not successful—at the in-person visit to the New Hampshire DMV, the representative said that reports from NMVTIS were for their eyes only.
I felt like I’d struck out. I had nothing except a printout from Bumper.com saying they had no records for the car but the VIN was likely from a Falcon. I was beginning to think that I was going to have to reverse the sale and tow the car back to New Hampshire.
They joke that Lotus stands for “Lots of Trouble, Usually Serious.” Maybe this was what they were talking about.
Then, thankfully, there were positive developments on two fronts. First, my insurance agent rode in with a white hat and forwarded me an email from the Massachusetts RMV’s own compliance officer stating that, “It appears that the service center rejected the transaction before receiving a response back from the NMVTIS Helpdesk. I would recommend we advise the customer to return to the service center. The CSR will need to request NMVTIS approval. The helpdesk will research the status and advise the CSR on next steps. Having already reviewed this one, I will let the NMVTIS helpdesk staff know to be on the lookout for it.” In other words, the registry had a procedure they didn’t follow. Whoever this compliance officer was, I wanted to hug them.
Next, the broker phoned with unexpected good news. He called the New Hampshire title desk again, and this time got an agent who discovered that the vehicle’s New Hampshire title had never been entered into NMVTIS. Further, this fellow was essentially the NH-MA registry liaison, so he sent an email summarizing the situation to his counterpart in Massachusetts, asked them to review the info in NMVTIS, and said that they should see both the “purged” status as well as the valid New Hampshire title. I was ecstatic. I almost ran right down to the registry, but decided to give it an extra day for the information to percolate through.
So, eight days after the crushing denial, I returned to the registry, arriving at 7:30 for an 8 a.m. opening. Even being first in line, you still have to stop at the triage desk where they check everything before handing you a number. I explained the situation and respectfully asked to be assigned whatever agent has the most experience with NMVTIS, and that I’d gladly wait for that person to be available. The triage agent made no eye contact and just handed me the automatically-generated Q100 number, like Bill Murray in Stripes ordering a fancy meal in boot camp before receiving a ladle full of slop. Well, I thought, this isn’t starting off well.
When my number was called, I was alarmed that I drew the same registry agent who the week before had consulted with two others and then denied me registration. Could my luck get any worse?
I gathered my wits, pulled out the printed email from the registry compliance officer as well as my printed explanation of what the fellow from the New Hampshire RMV title desk said, presented my case, and asked as respectfully as possible if she could check the NMVTIS database for the most current information.
“I can,” she said, “But NMVTIS doesn’t open ‘til 9 a.m.”
“I’ll wait,” I said.
“You don’t have to wait here,” she said. “Target is open at the other end of the mall. You can get a cup of coffee there. Then come back and sit where I can see you. You don’t need to wait in line again. I’ll call your name when I know something.” I was taken aback by her flash of kindness.
I went for a short walk, got my cup of coffee, sat, and waited for the jury to come in.
At 9:03, she called my name. When I reached her booth, I saw that she had a set of license plates ready. I waited while she entered the data into her terminal and printed out a registration and a bill, but I knew I was home free. All the stress fell away. With the precious goods in hand, I drove directly to Trader Joe’s for flowers and chocolate, and from there to my insurance agent. (I said “Rob Siegel for Kathy. I have no appointment, but I have flowers and chocolate.” They pulled her out of a Zoom meeting. It was awesome.)
But wait. There was one more registry-related surprise in store. Three days later, when I tried to get the car inspected, I was denied because when the registry agent entered the license plate number into her terminal, she vertically transposed the “W” on the plate to an “M,” and the computer at the inspection station couldn’t process it with the discrepancy. D’oh!
Back to the registry I went for the third time. Again I arrived early, and again I got the same agent. I showed her what happened. She was very apologetic. I left with a matching registration. The car is now inspected.
Whew!
So, what did happen in Yarmouth in 1987? Was it even the same car? On the one hand, don’t know, don’t care. On the other hand, I wonder, had the Yarmouth PD rifled through boxes of police records and handed me a copy of a theft report that listed the stolen vehicle with VIN 502164 as not a Lotus but a 1965 Ford Falcon, whether there was even a quick path for me to get that information into NMVTIS, or whether those gears of justice would’ve taken months to turn.
What’s the big take-away message here? I’ve owned over a hundred cars in my life, and I’d never had this happen before. I’d always thought that running a Carfax (which I do for any 17-digit VIN car I’m interested in so I can get a bead on its history and whether or not it has a salvage title) also checks if it’s stolen. I now know that it doesn’t check NMVTIS. And entering the Lotus’ 6-digit VIN into supposedly NMVTIS-accessing Bumper.com showed that it and my state weren’t seeing the same thing, and thus there was no way to know in advance that I would receive a capricious “marked as stolen” denial at the registry. Imagine how badly this could’ve gone wrong if I couldn’t get it registered and the sellers wouldn’t take the car back. We’re talking lawyers and billable hours. This is why the more valuable a car is, the more important provenance becomes.
Most of us are just people operating at varying degrees of muddling through. Some are on automatic pilot or are handcuffed by process and procedure, some try to be helpful, and some go above and beyond. So huge thanks to the Massachusetts registry compliance officer, the fellow at the New Hampshire RMV who updated the NMVTIS data, my insurance agent, and the broker from whom I purchased the car for his professionalism and follow-through. And my lawyer/collector friend.
1969 Lotus Elan +2. Winter project. Dead mice. Bring it on.
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Not sure what you were smoking during that whole ordeal, but it must have been awesome to keep you that calm. Many would have lost it! May your pathway forward be free of rodents…… Be safe in that little red machine, even it’s VIN is tiny!
Rob, I feel your pain. Having been through this more than once, buying cars from junkyards on a bill of sale and another that had been abandoned years before, behind a gas station, with a hand-written bill of sale from the gas station owner, I’ve been through it.
Fortunately in Ohio we have what’s called an “assembled from parts” title. Go to your county title office with a handful of receipts for major portions of the car–like the body with a VIN and an engine with a serial number, and the chances are very good–particularly if it’s not a high dollar vehicle (mine wasn’t!) you’ll walk out with a title. With title in hand, you then visit the local DMV office–it’s separate from the title office, and in our county isn’t even co-located with them. Perhaps a bit inconvenient, but in Ohio the license plate offices are all contractors, and thus are friendly and eager to help, since they want to keep their contract renewed each year. That shiny new title will get you a new license plate in no time at all.
Our county title agency director even came and spoke to our antique car club to tell us exactly what we needed to bring to the office to score a title for that paperless project found out in a field, and she was as good as her word. Even better, the “assembled from parts” title shows the vehicle’s year of manufacture as matching the VIN–or if there isn’t one, the engine number.
Rob, Jaguar e-Type alert!
In 1982 I bought a 1957 Jaguar XK140 for $1000. It did not run, had lots of rust everywhere and nothing left of the interior. It was way beyond my ability both physically and financially, but I owned a Jaguar with a title! Thirty years later in 2012 with no progress made on the XK I needed to sell it because a dear and ill friend wanted me to have his 1968 Jaguar e-Type roadster. Money needed along with garage space I sold the XK140 to a broker in New York, as I am in Michigan the broker arranged for the pickup and the wire transfer of funds for a car worth way more than it was worth in 1982 even though it hadn’t changed much in 30 years. I overnighted the title to the broker and bought the running driving non-rotted beautiful 1968 e-Type roadster from my friend! A week later the broker called and said there was a problem with the title, it did not match the 6 digit VIN and he sent it back to me to clear up. My heart sank! I went to the Michigan State Police and the Secretary Of State, who issues titles, and was told there were no issues with the title matching the VIN. I then spoke to the broker who informed me that he had solved the problem in New York and that we were all good. Few!! He never requested the title back and I still have it to this day!!! Oh, I also am still enjoying and driving the 1968 XKE. I guess on paper I own 2 Jaguars!!!
You are a far,far better person than me!
I worked for a salvage yard in my younger days. They bought a Monte Carlo SS out of a tow lot that had been stolen and never claimed. I offered to buy it and we made a deal. Week or two goes by and the insurance company that insured the car when it was stolen wanted it back. Something about them not being notified that the city tow lot had the car. My boss told me to take the car and stash (hide) the car in my garage. After a couple weeks The insurance company finally broke down and gave up on the car. Engine and trans were missing, dash and column broke, windshield broke. Basically a roller. When I bought the car boss said take anything from the to fix it. Rebuilt it and few years later it got stolen again at 1:00 in the afternoon. Insurance rebuilt it and wife was afraid to drive it after that so ended up selling it. Was a very nice car
The definition of an optimist is a person who parks in a 30 minute zone on a visit to the DMV.
Registration and VIN trouble seems to be the norm out there with the proliferation of BAT deals these days. I’ve experienced two so far – a 1977 Mercedes 450 SLC that sat in a driveway for ten years and required a duplicate title because the original one was lost, which required me to trailer the car to the local Department of Public Safety office for a through police inspection and VIN verification (apparently photos were not good enough – they wanted to see the actual car!); and a 2001 Boxster that, like your Lotus purchase, began as a perfectly legitimate transaction and quickly deteriorated into my own heart-stopping, gut-wrenching, what-have-I-done kind of ordeal. The car was listed on Facebook and since I had been in the market for a roadster and affordable Boxsters in good condition were hard to come by, I snatched it up at 10:00 pm while lying in bed and arranged to meet the fella the next morning before even the bank opened. Turns out he was a mechanic at a local independent Porsche shop and the owner left them the car with the signed-over title and letter from Porsche North American showing release of the lien. It sounded sketchy at first but he had all the papers, they looked legit, and the car was mechanically perfect. Of course the question in the back of my mind was, why would someone simply abandon a perfectly good low-mileage car? The mechanic did not provide me with any good explanation and again, it drove well and I could not find any issues through a visual inspection. I didn’t want to lose the purchase so I concluded the deal and felt happier than a pig in poke. Until I went to the DMV – sorry, they said, the letter from Porsche North America was a copy and not acceptable, they needed an original. I immediately called the mechanic who told me he gave me everything he had. Great. Now what was I to do? This beautiful Guards Red Boxster was suddenly feeling like an expensive boat anchor tied around my neck. Similar to Rob’s journey, I donned my super-sleuthing cap and decided to make a visit to the original owner’s address which was listed on the title. I was less than confident however as all sorts of scenarios were possible – I never authorized the car to be sold! – I never owned such a car! – or worse, staring down the barrel of a not so friendly 12 gauge (this is Texas after all).
I approached the owner with great humbleness and trepidation, should the matter spiral into the nether depths. Luckily, I found out there was a divorce (there’s ALWAYS a divorce!), the husband ran off with who knows who, the left-behind wife didn’t know how to drive the Boxster (she said she always hated that car – seems plausible grounds for a divorce) and just wanted it gone and never to be reminded of it. And no, she had no other papers for it either. Okay, not exactly what I was expecting but at least I didn’t get played by the mechanic, the story did carry some legitimacy with it. But I still had no way to get a title. Luckily I live in an area where there are more than just one DMV Title offices. I decided to take a gamble and see if I could somehow get in front of a clerk at another office who wouldn’t be as scrutinizing as the first one was. Bottom line – it worked, the second clerk never cared about it being a copy, issued me my plates and title and I’ve driven that car ever since for the past three years. Quite happily I might add!
Wow.
I had this happen to me with a Fox body Mustang a few years back that had allegedly been scrapped 10 years prior. Unfortunately my story didn’t have a happy ending and I took quite a hit on that deal but it was a lesson learned…
Here’s the really bad news, Rob. While the car you purchased looks like a Lotus Elan +2, it’s really a Ford Falcon underneath. A stolen one. 🙂
Sorry, couldn’t resist. You have something extra to be thankful for on Thursday.
Now that’s funny right there, I don’t care what you say!
My question is: How did we wind up with a VIN system that doesn’t provide a unique number for each vehicle? Isn’t that the whole purpose behind a VIN?
That was the purpose behind the standardized 17-digit VIN system that was implemented in 1981. Before that, manufacturers were free to number them however they wanted. Many if not most of them just did it sequentially, resulting in non-uniqueness.
Interesting. So I guess we realized the value of things like standardized controls (gas on the right, brake in the middle, clutch on the left) a long time before we realized the value of standardized vehicle identification. Better late than never, I guess!
What a beauty .
Glad you got it sorted, I’ve had similar issues with the many used vehicles I’ve bought and registered / titled over the decades .
My Mass. RMV horror story was with my 1952 MG TD, no matter how many times I sent the title back with the correct information they’d fix the mistake and create another, eventually they got the VIN correct so I let it go .
-Nate
Curious…what did your carfax tell you about the Franken BMW?
That it had an accident, a salvage title, and a rebuilt salvage title issued in 1992. I just didn’t expect the salvage title to mean that it was 2/3 of one car and 1/3 of another.
Back when I was a young buck, I purchased a pristine Porsche 914 from a part time auto dealer that was an auction buy. It was a recovered stolen with no title. Normally I would’ve avoided it like the plague but price wise he was almost giving it away. I figured if push came to shove, I could quadruple my money by parting it out. I paid for it and got a huge packet of papers that had everything I needed to obtain a title. I went through the paperwork and the warts immediately began to surface. Out of State car, recovered over 5 years previously, recovery release from an out of state, now defunct insurance company. Even found that I couldn’t sell the big parts because they would show up as stolen. It sat in my driveway while I started with phone calls and letters (this was pre-internet) and slowly over 3 years I had collected a volume of paperwork that was all needed to obtain the title. All except a “current” release from the Insurance company that had acquired the defunct one. I received it a week before I got orders for a 4 year overseas tour. I was towing it to storage and stop for gas where it caught the eye of the owner of a fruit stand next door. He offered me a fair price, X10 what I originally paid. I sold it to him. Fast forward 3 years, I stopped in to the fruit stand when I saw the 914 out front, plated. I talked to him and he said although I had all the paperwork in order it still took him about a month to get plates. Alls well that ends well
Cool story. 👍
OH MY DEAR LAWD…………….$562.50 in SALES TAX for REGISTERING THIS THING!?!?! WTH? Is this ENTIRE FRONT-CLIP made of PURE SOLID-GOLD or something!!! THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!
Glad it all worked out Rob. I have owned a 1962 Falcon for fifty years, it is my first car. I do not understand how any state could use a number such as 502164 to register a Falcon. Here is why. Ford used a system for their warranty ID number. For instance in my car’s ID ( I will charge the actual number to make it generic) is 2H12U123456. Where 2 is the model year (1962) H is the assembly plant (Lorain, Ohio), 12 is the body style (4 door sedan), U is the engine code (170 6 cylinder), and the final six digits are a sequential production number. All Ford products started with 100001. Mercury’s started with 500001. My car is a late 62 production, and its sequential number is below 260,000. In other words, they would never get to a number as high as 502164. Both states my car has been registered used the entire 2H12U123456 as the VIN. If they said it was a Mercury Comet, I could believe the 502164, but not for a Ford model. For a Mercury, 502164 would be the 2,164th model built at that plant. But why would the DMV omit all the leading characters that give it some uniqueness?
Interesting…