Three Companies Built These Cars, This Company Electrifies Them
“The number of vomit emojis has definitely gone down,” laughs Marc Davis, founder of Moment Motor Co., about the business’s social media attention. I guess you have to learn to laugh at stuff like that, especially when you’re doing something as drastic (and new) as putting electric motors into old cars. Plus, car people on the internet are quick to judge no matter what you do. The response Davis gets now, though, is a lot more positive, and it’s indicative of the changes in public perception since he started swapping EV powertrains into classic cars in 2017.
Indeed, those changes came big and they came quick. On the new car market, EVs have gone totally mainstream, and electric’s performance and maintenance advantages have become clearer. On the old car scene, the arguments for electrifying classics made by Davis and people like him, mainly that these conversions keep classics on the road long-term and help bring new people into the hobby, have gained more traction and acceptance. As for the electric powertrains themselves, they’ve improved and have become more readily available, while the process of converting a car is now easier. To see how all this happened as well as what the steps are for “de-ICEing” and electrifying a classic, I visited Moment’s shop on South Congress Ave. in Austin, Texas.
Then, to find out if EV swaps are really “soulless” like the skeptics say, I drove three of Moment’s finished builds: A Mercedes-Benz 280SL, a 1966 Jaguar E-Type, and a G-body Porsche 911 Carrera.
Davis’ first career was in the tech industry, but he’s a lifelong car guy who spent weekends tinkering in his garage and building relationships in the classic and hot rod communities. He still love cars of all types, but saw electrification as something new, exciting, and part of the future. Experience from his professional life combined with the passion in his personal life in 2017 when he formed Moment, and there’s a clear overlap between tech and cars. “Our team is mostly made up of either engineers from the tech industry who are passionate about cars or performance cars builders who are excited to work with these new drivetrains,” says Davis. “Everything we do is tracked in modern project management software…Progress is tracked with pictures, hours, descriptions, and detailed updates to the client the whole way through.”
While plenty of shops specialize in a fairly narrow range of makes and models, the goal with Moment from the beginning was being able to convert any classic car to electric power. So far, Moment has completed about four dozen builds, ranging from Porsche 356s and Alfa Romeo Spiders to Chevy Blazers and Toyota pickups. Being versatile was key since Davis knew the market for what they were doing was relatively small.
The technology, even less than a decade ago, was also limited. The first builds were, “and I hate saying this, mostly repurposed golf cart and forklift kind of stuff. It worked but was low-power and simplistic.” There were of course new EVs on the road in 2017, namely Teslas and Nissan Leafs, but the manufacturers wouldn’t sell their powertrains to anybody. The workaround was that as those Teslas and Nissans hit salvage yards, their drivetrains could be removed and repurposed. Even from wrecked cars, these were better than anything else that was available and became Moment’s preferred source of powertrains from later in 2017 until 2021. Then, more recently, as the rest of the new car industry has caught up, there are EV powertrains and components that are functionally equivalent, warrantied, and widely available. That’s what goes into Moment’s builds today.
The facility is located near the end of Austin’s trendy South Congress Ave., and one thing is striking from the moment you arrive there: Despite the ’60s and ’70s vehicles outside and all the cars in various states of assembly inside, the place is quiet. The floors are clean. All the tools you’d expect to find in a place that takes apart cars and puts them back together again are there, but so are wiring, diagrams, a humming 3D printer, electric motors, and batteries lining the workbenches. As for the cars, the sights and smells you expect from a jacked-up Austin-Healey 3000 with its hood wide open simply aren’t there. Neither is this Healey’s tall 6-cylinder engine, nor any drips of oil. In its place is a compact electric motor nestled under the tunnel where the four-speed gearbox used to be.
On the other side of the shop, a 1963 Corvette Split Window rests alongside a ’68 Mustang fastback. Both look like they just got back from a Pro Touring meet, but they’re electric, too. There are also a couple of 911s and an Alfa GTV, as well as several W113-generation (1963-71) Mercedes-Benz SLs. Moment has converted enough of these W113 builds that their process has gotten both quicker and cheaper. Which isn’t to say that any of their builds are quick or cheap. Each takes months, and the cost ranges from $50K–$150K, not including the donor car. Even so, Moment currently has a nine-month wait list.
The wide range of cars in the shop suggests that Moment has a wide range of customers, and they do. Many are traditional car collectors who “see what we do as a way to rejuvenate and enjoy one of their classics in a different way.” They also see clients who have long had an affinity for classic cars but for one reason or another “never had the confidence or desire to keep up with the maintenance,” Davis says. These could be people who inherited a classic car from an enthusiast relative and see electrification as a way to enjoy and preserve a car that’s been in the family, or it could simply be someone who fell in love with a classic and sees electrification the only way to realistically use and enjoy owning it. Other clients are simply very new to classic cars altogether. “They drive new cars and like the simplicity of them; they’re primarily EV owners. Then, they see a perfect old Mercedes or vintage pickup and literally fall in love, but then find out they can own one with a modern electric drivetrain.”
Builds like these, then, bring new people into the old car world. What’s more, they keep old cars out and about in regular use. Many of them might ordinarily sit and suffer neglect if they were left stock. Despite the massive changes and updates under the skin, Davis says “ultimately we’re about preserving these things. We want these cars to be driven, not sitting in the garage. We want to give someone the ability to just go out and go whenever they want.” There’s simply far less to worry about and check for than with a ’60s-era, carbureted gas engine. “In the end we’re putting cars back on the road, driving.” It’s hard to argue with that.
When someone brings a car in for conversion, Moment fully inspects everything and addresses any necessary fixes. “We aren’t a restoration shop, so if the car needs metal work, paint, or repair, we partner with other shops to handle that stage of the process.” Then, they de-ICE the car, removing the drivetrain and fuel systems.
What happens to the old engines? Many owners want to keep them. Many don’t. “We can try to sell them, but you’d be surprised how hard it is. I have a storage unit with far more of them than I expected.”
Next they 3D scan the car, mainly the engine bay, transmission tunnel and trunk to determine where all the new components and drivetrain will have to fit. One challenge is weight distribution, as they want to keep the balance and driving dynamics as close to the original design as possible. Another is simply where to fit everything, as the space under the lines of a ’60s sports car was never meant for things like rectilinear battery boxes. This effort often requires designing and test-fitting brackets, platforms, and mounts to hold everything in place. Meanwhile, the team figures out where to route the high voltage cabling and coolant lines. Understandably, when they’ve converted the same type of car a few times, like Mercedes 230/250/280SLs, the process gets quicker and easier.
After final assembly, Moment tests and tunes the car, sorting out everything from throttle response curves and thermal systems to squeaks, creaks, and rattles—these are still old cars, after all. After enough test miles and tweaking, the finished product goes to the customer, while any new parts created through the process go into a library of chassis-specific components to make future builds easier.
So, how does the finished product actually drive? Of the three electrified classics I’m driving during this visit, the Mercedes-Benz 280SL makes the most sense as a candidate for EV conversion. It’s not surprising to learn that more W113-generation (1963-71) SLs have gotten the Moment treatment than any other car.
The 2.8-liter, 180-hp, fuel-injected, single-cam six that powered this car out of Stuttgart in the ’60s is a fine engine. It’s smooth, stout, well-built. But it was never the star of the show. It doesn’t make a memorable noise. Nobody ever bought a 230/250/280SL for what was under the hood, and most U.S. buyers ordered theirs with an automatic, anyway. Instead, they bought it for the looks—arguably designer Paul Bracq’s magnum opus—as well as the clever “pagoda” hardtop, and the classy, comfortable interior. This was a car for leisurely cruising at moderate to high speed and looking good while doing it, and that’s still the main appeal of the W113 for classic car buyers today. What does an EV swap take away from that experience? Nothing, really. It arguably makes it better.
“I think if you went back to the Mercedes folks in 1967 and said you had this silent, smooth, powerful drivetrain, they’d probably think it was perfect for a car like this,” Marc says as we slide into the SL’s springy seats. And, from the driver’s side, the W113 platform and the electric motor complement each other well. It rides like a normal SL, and it steers like one. In fact, everything feels like the original, except, of course, for the much deeper reserves of power and torque, which push you forward no matter how fast you’re going. The way this example is geared makes low speed acceleration swift but not savage, while speeding up from 60-80 mph is accomplished surprisingly quickly. If any “soul” or “character” has left this SL, I’m not really missing it.
The E-Type, I think, is a tougher sell as an EV. Yes, there was an electric E at the royal wedding, and a U.K. company even makes a drop-in EV kit for Jag’s most famous sports car, but the original XK six-cylinder engine is one of the all-time greats. It powered beautiful cars and won major races for decades. It looks great. It sounds great. Its length and heft dictated the E-Type’s long, lithe, forward-hinged hood, and the twin exhaust pipes tucked under its tail are one of the E’s more distinguishing features. To take all that away, then, removes much of the car’s character, right? Well, yes, but not as much as you might expect.
Getting in, there’s no doubt you’re in an old Jag. The leather smells right. The signature toggle switches on the dash are all there. So are the gauges, except that some offer different read-outs. For the dial to the right of the speedo, which measures kilowatts but has been cleverly designed in the style of the original Smiths tachometer. The only obvious clue to the car’s alternative drivetrain on the inside are the simple up arrow, down arrow and P (Park) buttons where the shifter boot used to be. Some of the batteries reside under the luggage area, but you’d have to lift a panel to find them. On the outside, the only obvious clue is the lack of those exhaust pipes. Somewhat surprisingly, their absence doesn’t take anything away from the XKE’s famous good looks.
A bigger surprise is just how much this car feels like a good-old-fashioned gas-guzzling E-Type on the road. I was afraid it might drive like a twenty-first century roller skate cosplaying as old English sports car, but that’s not the case at all. The tail still squats and the nose still lifts slightly under hard acceleration. Under cornering, you still feel stiffening and flexing through the wood-rimmed steering wheel.
Despite the extra heft and all the batteries distributed throughout the platform, the rear brakes are still inboard as they were in period. Because this example is geared more for highway driving and passing, acceleration from a standstill isn’t startling, but it is immediate and, especially in the ’60s setting of the cabin, feels very quick. The package delivers about 300hp and 375 lb-ft to the Jaguar rear end via a carbon-fiber driveshaft. At higher speeds, rolling into the left lane for a quick squirt of acceleration to pass someone is completely effortless. It’s almost intoxicating, in that over-too-quickly, want-to-do-it-again kind of way. This would be a fantastic car on a short road trip. I did miss that legendary twin-cam six up front, but not as much as I thought I would. A couple of times I forgot about it completely.
Finally, of the three, the 911 Carrera gives the most uneasy first impression as an electrified classic. For 60 years now, the weight of a flat-six mounted in the back has been the most consistent part of a 911’s makeup. But not in this one. This car presents the heft of its batteries more noticeably than the other conversions, and it’s not the traditional distribution as the tail-heavy original. As a result of packaging requirements, Moment had to locate some of the batteries up front, occupying much of the front trunk between the headlights.
The driving experience, then, doesn’t hew to classic 911 dynamics. This car feels heavy, particularly in the steering. Even at high speed, working the steering wheel through twisty bits fires up your shoulder muscles. It’s a contrast to the normally light-on-their-feet, stock 911s of this period.
Notice I said heavy, not slow. Indeed the acceleration feels very quick, and the car very planted. Throwing it into a bend requires less bravery than tail-snappy 911s of yore. Traction and power are very easy to come by. And while it’s not as good as the music from an air-cooled six, the electric motor’s noise coming up the transmission tunnel from behind and between the seats is not unpleasant, and emits more of a growing mechanical whir than the high-pitched electric whine I was expecting.
Speaking of the transmission tunnel, what’s hiding underneath it is this EV Porsche’s party piece. The G50 five-speed that originally came in this car is a fantastic gearbox, so Moment kept it right where it was and adapted it to the new motor. It does take some getting used to—you only really need to accelerate from a stop in second gear (doing so in first is borderline violent and correspondingly brief) and around town or on country roads you can have almost all the fun you want in third or fourth, but it remains fun and satisfying to shift. Also, while you do have to use the clutch pedal to go from gear to gear, you don’t have to do anything with your left foot when you come to a stop because the gearbox isn’t hooked up to a constantly rotating ICE engine. No stalling uphill from a stoplight here.
Like the Jag, the Porsche sacrifices plenty through losing its ICE engine. But it gains plenty, too, and it certainly put a smile on this skeptic’s face.
EV swaps are not for everybody, but I can see why this type of conversion is getting more popular, and Davis sees the future in its as well. “At this point the only downside is cost and perhaps range, but both of these things will only get better over time.” Davis also foresees greater standardization across this corner of the industry, and even complete EV-conversion kits for certain vehicles in the near future, like components specifically designed for electrifying a Tri-Five Chevy or VW Beetle, to name a couple.
No matter what kind of emojis you’re posting when an EV conversion hits your feed, it’s hard to deny that the classic car industry is going through big, quick, interesting changes. Shops like Moment are not only driving those changes, but also keeping the hobby going, and even growing it.
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Ahhhhhh! Stop! Just stop the pain!!!!!! Stop killing perfectly good classics.
We need to make a movement or laws that prevent the desecration of these models into half a$$ EV cars.
I mean, this does absolutely nothing for me either, but who are we to say what someone can and cannot do with THEIR car. None of these are really THAT rare, if it keeps another old car on the road, and enough people want it (obviously there are enough to make a business model for it), then good on them. These actually look like a pretty thoughtful installation too.
We don’t need to be the HOA for collector car ownership, that’s how we as enthusiasts keep people from coming into the hobby.
This is more like automotive suicide. We do try to prevent that. LOL!
Forums are where you express opinions. If you agree fine if not fine as It is not like there will ever be a law against this. It was more an expression than a real demand for a law.
I really see this as more damaging to all parties in real life. Most enthusiast will never convert. Even if you are an EV enthusiast a converted car is much more inferior to a car designed to be an EV. Most would want the more modern version.
Many people doing this are doing it to make a statement because they are a celebrity in many cases.
King Charles for example, Arnold and his Hummer EV or Jason Momoa’s Rolls. Mostly for show.
Now if you took a Detroit Electric and upgraded to a better battery and motor. I could see that.
Yes, we are free to express our opinions, however I suspect that your objections lie more in a perception that the only reason why someone would want to do this is to virtue signal. Yes, that is the case for some, but there is a certain demographic who genuinely loves the idea of an EV.
Personally, I find the concept a bit soulless and do not intend to partake in EV ownership, but having driven an EV, it’s hard to deny the lure of instant power and torque. Imagine that on a vehicle like a Pagoda Mercedes, which is not historically viewed as a “fast” car. Maybe not a total loss there.
As you say, most enthusiasts will never convert, but some will. I don’t see this negatively impacting your or my enjoyment of the hobby. If it keeps more cars on the road and more people interested, then I say that’s probably a net gain for us all.
Again, let’s not be the HOA for what constitutes an acceptable way of enjoying the hobby.
If you look hard and long enough you will find someone to like anything. There are people who eat dirt.
As for this I just expressed my opinion. If someone think this is a good idea they can express theirs and have every right to it.
This is not a HOA so we have the freedom to say what we feel right, wrong and indifferent.
I am sure there may be a few people that may think this is a great idea but I am not one of them.
This is not about speed or power or anything else. These are cars no longer made and less and less of them are left daily. Just leave them alone. This to me is like the folks that cut the split window out of their 63 Corvette coupe. It may feel good now but.
These conversions are done on cars with poor aero compared to what we have today. That limits miles per charge. Also the batteries are limited due to size of these cars not being designed for them. Then handling and ride is compromised as added weight is not a good thing here.
So you end up with an old car with a limited range that rides and handles not as good as it once did. It may also kill the resale value too.
Now if someone takes one from a junk yard and saves it that is ok as it was going to scrap anyways.
I have a friend that tore up a 8 K mile indy pace car Vette to make a Resto Rod. It will be a nice car but why tear up a $40K car when you could have bought a $8K 78 coupe and put the same engine and chassis in it. He could have sold the the low mile car and paid for the chassis and engine alone. But it was his car and money. I just watched.
Look we can all so as we please. But we all have a voice and should say what we feel or believe politely not just sit nodding out heads like mindless fools. Voicing our opinions could even create learning on both sides.
I am curious what learning or conversation can be had from statements like “stop killing classics”. Past comments have painted a less open minded hyper than the one being presented in this most recent comment.
If that is where you are truly coming from, then lead with it, perhaps? Want a constructive conversation, then have one out of the gate. Otherwise it comes off as commenting for the sake of getting attention.
Just to clarify I am not anti EV. I have driven them and Liked them. Not something I would buy yet but someday maybe.. But to convert one of my collector cars will not be in the cards. I love the sound, feel and smell of these cars.
Same with this autonomous driving. I want the wheel in my hand. I love to drive. If someone else wants a computer to drive that is fine let them. But I will fight for the wheel.
Amen
Installing an aircraft starter/generator under the hood of my 1975 Fiat 128L coupe actually improved on the reliability and improved low end accelleration while adding a couple hundred pounds to it’s weight (lead acid batteries were pretty much the only option in 1979) and didn’t hurt handling too much. With the motor, battery, and controller options available today I could have made a much better conversion – but that wouldn’t have solved the “rust bug” problem inherent in italian cars of the era in Soutwestern Ontario – – –
I could not agree more. Lots of people do questionable things to their cars. As is their right. You can try to persuade me with a good argument for or against, but proposing laws to calcify your version of correct is simply wrong.
I own ten ICE cars, from a 1960 Bug to a 2024 Blackwing and all sorts between them. I love my 1972 F250. It’s original, has great patina, no rust. But the engine is largely unloveable and would not be missed _by me_. I can see electrifying it in a decade when I am tired of the points and 9mpg. Maybe not everyone’s jam, but it’s my truck. If you disapprove, don’t look under the hood.
Not my cup o’ tea, but I think it’s great to see this kind of innovation and adaptation become available to collector car owners. I have car friends, mostly Boomers, who loose their minds over this classic car electrification stuff. My response to them is simple: if you don’t like it, don’t buy one. Otherwise who cares?
Amen.
It’s a big tent. I think the one thing we all agree on is that it should be an owner’s decision, not an “HOA” or the government.
Those cars just got lobotomized. Their personality has been removed. What makes a great car isn’t that it is dead reliable like a dishwasher or a vacuum cleaner. It’s that it has quirks. It has faults. You sense when its happy when you hear the camshafts open and close the valves effortlessly. It smells. It has a unique sound.
Those are for the man or woman who has lost the will to live so they are just counting down the days.
In my opinion you just ruined 3 good automobiles. The EV fad is dying down rapidly. Some EV makers will disappear soon and a few may hang around a while longer but the EV train wreck is real folks. Hybrids may be able to hang on but EV’s will not. Elon got many of you to jump on the EV train early and he will survive no matter how the EV market goes. The majority of us still prefer ICE vehicles and will continue to do so and we are not going to be forced by state or federal govt. into buying an EV no matter which political party is in power. Our choice our decision.
I’m glad you’re so “positive” regarding the outcome. 😂 Time will tell.
EVs are the future – they have a place on the road, as do ICE powered cars.
This is freeing up engines and transmissions for those of us that appreciate the sounds and smells and oil leaks.
“The number of vomit emojis has definitely gone down,” yeah not mine. $50k-$150k to do this is not an upgrade to me. This is for the fool and the money they want to be parted with. Either they have gained a bunch of weight and/or they have limited range. No thanks.
I have to say I’m amused by the “anti” side. Most seem to be the equivalent of the old man yelling at the neighbor kids to stop making noise. “In my day we horse whipped kids for acting like that!”. Sorry to my fellow Baby Boomers but our time is nearly over, time for new things like keeping beautiful old cars on the road by electrification. I have trouble believing more than a tiny fraction of people under, say 50 years, give a damn about a cast iron V-8 or a flat or inline 6. Yes, they want to move (having fun watching a 15 Y-O and her almost 14 Y-O cousin getting close to driving, they are excited) but neither the girl or the boy seem to give a damn about performance, they just want freedom. She’ll probably imprint on mom’s “3” or dad’s F-150 Lightning, he’ll imprint on mom and dad’s modern ICE cars, internal combustion but you can barely tell from the interior.
Sacrilege
I’m with you, RedBear. There are some that may not like it, but the world moves forward whether we like it or not. I’m a Boomer and just sold my 1971 Camaro SS350, which I bought brand new over 50 years ago and thought I’d never sell. However, I’m open minded about cars of all types and am excited to be able to try new things, including driving a unique EV. So, I recently ordered a “brand new” Porsche 356 Speedster replica without an ICE engine that will have an EV drivetrain installed (by Moment) in place of the VW engine. Although, I also own a 718 Spyder which is an ICE vehicle that I also enjoy driving – immensely, so I understand about the different types of excitement that is provided by each type of “motorvation”. I’ll agree, it’s not for everyone, but it’s not appropriate to bad mouth someone’s automotive choices just because you don’t agree with them.
I’m really looking forward to driving (what looks like) a 1950s car that has 2020s technology. I’ve always loved the look of a 1957 Speedster, but not have to worry about the leaks and maintenance requirements of a gas engined vehicle. Don’t hate me for driving a “classic” EV, but understand me for getting to experience all the psychic rewards that my decision will provide. I’m in my late 70s and didn’t want to ever look back and be disappointed by any of my life choices (except the crazy ones I made in my youth). We all should do what makes us happy as long as we don’t prevent others from doing the same.
I imagine that if you were say a dentist working long hours and earning good money this would appeal. No need to get grease under your nails, something the clients would appreciate too. So when a nice sunny day comes along you can jump in the Pagoda and toodle on down to the beach/river/wherever without the nagging thought of ‘will it start’ that comes with ICE.
Thinking on that there is probably a market for electrifying old Alfas. Beautiful cars that break your heart.
One thing I’d like to add, is that it’s difficult to cost justify these EV conversion decisions, except to say “I like what I like”. Yes, it simplifies the maintenance factors, but you really just pay for that upfront, and there’s the uniqueness factor. It’s all about doing what makes you happy and having the ability to enjoy your decisions. Isn’t that what life’s all about? And, no one’s forcing anyone else to convert their classic car to an EV.
I very much enjoyed the dialogue on this thread 🧵. Innovation is very cool!. We each have different perspectives depending on our vantage points. There’s no “one size fits all” regarding the perfect car that does it all…perhaps the reason why many car lovers have more than one classic and/or cool car. Internationally, EVs are being widely embraced. To quote Lee Iococca, “move, follow or get out of the way”
Until you have driven a classic before and after a conversion, you cannot understand how fantastic the conversion is. The Jaguar is mine. Three things sum up the situation. One, I drive it ten times as much as I did before. Two, those who have ridden in the car are tremendously more impressed with the experience than when it had an ICE. Three, it has always been beautiful, but now it is fun, too. And, despite all the moaning and wailing, it is absolutely no different than any other automobile that has been modified from stock. There are a lot of allegations in the comments above that are not based in fact, and are in fact wrong, but 40% of Americans would rather believe lies because that is what suits their “team.”
Boom. Nice Jag!
While I see a lot of comments about “removing the soul” of the car when the engine is swapped for and electric motor, I never see any complaints about “removing the soul” of the car when someone swaps the original engine for an LS.
As a boomer who grew up wrenching on old cars, I now enjoy wrenching and sparking on old cars converted to EVs, provided the character of the car remains in some way or is pleasantly refined. Conversions can still be done poorly whether they’re gas or electric.
I still help friends and family repair their ICE vehicles as well as help others repair their EVs. And if they want to do an EV conversion or a rare classic, I would make sure it’s reversible (restorable to original) as numerous other conversion shops do.