Want to Buy a General Motors Futurliner? Got a Cool Million?
General Motors history buffs, art-deco enthusiasts, and retro-futurists have a rare opportunity. The Peter Pan Bus Lines is selling the restored General Motors “Parade of Progress” Futurliner that it has used as a promotional vehicle for the past 25 years or so. Interestingly, instead of selling the vehicle at auction, which would likely generate a ton of publicity, Peter Pan quietly listed its Futurliner on Facebook Marketplace with an asking price of just under one million dollars.
Here’s the listing:
Only one of 12 built. Extremely rare opportunity to own one of the most famous vehicles ever built by GM. This vehicle was restored in the late 1990’s. It is retrofitted with a Detroit Diesel 4-71 and Allison automatic transmission. Original gas engine and transmission are included in the sale. It is not perfect, but darn close! Runs and drives down the highway very well at 50+ mph. Light bar works. Sides open & close. Steering was upgraded with power assist. This vehicle is used regularly for shows and events. This is believed to be “#7” of the 12 built by GM for the famous “Parade of Progress”. Please do not waste my time – NO trades, NO ridiculous offers – the price is $998,900.00.
This particular Futurliner was found in a decrepit state in a corn field in upstate New York. Peter Pan, one of the largest motorcoach charter companies in the U.S., bought it and commissioned Coach Builders of Springfield, Massachusetts, to perform a complete restoration. That restoration was originally done in green, the colors of Peter Pan, but the Futurliner has since been resprayed in its original red.
The story of the Futurliner goes back to the 1933 Century of Progress world’s fair in Chicago. Charles Kettering, the inventor of the first practical electric self-starter for automobiles and GM’s VP in charge of research, was walking through the company’s pavilion, full of displays promoting GM’s progress in science and technology. Kettering thought it would be a good idea to take some of those displays on the road to towns and cities across the country.
Kettering pitched his idea to GM chair Alfred Sloan Jr. and Paul Garrett, VP for public relations. Circumstances boded well: The country was in the grips of its worst economic depression and people were looking for cheap entertainment. Putting the show on the road, taking it to smaller cities and towns, and charging no admission meant people would come from miles around to see it. This was before televisions were ubiquitous, when radio and newspapers were the major means of mass communication. If people wanted to see a certain show, they had few options but to attend in person. Sloan and Garrett embraced his idea.
To move the show from town to town, GM allocated nine Chevy and GMC tractor-trailers and had a fleet of eight custom vans built by Fisher Body’s Fleetwood plant, where Cadillac limousines were built. The vans were streamlined, in the current style, and painted an attention-grabbing combination of red and white.
The fleet was staffed by three to four dozen young men, all graduates from leading colleges and universities. They would drive the vehicles to the venues, set up the trailers and buses as walk-through displays, and then put on nicer uniforms to give lectures and presentations on the various exhibits and to present a live 45-minute show in the circus tent they had erected.
The entire show was planned a year in advance. When GM picked a city or town, Garrett’s PR staff would contact the local chamber of commerce and city officials, and a short while later an advance man would arrive to find space to pitch the tents, make arrangements for lodging, and promote the event to radio stations and newspapers, along with schools, fraternal organizations, civic groups, and of course, GM dealers. They also distributed a short film of the actual shows to local movie theaters.
The first Parade of Progress was in 1936. The route started in Lakeland, Florida, and ended at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, visiting a remarkable 251 towns and cities. The Parade was international too, with stops in Mexico and Cuba. Twelve and half million people saw the Parade its first year, 3.5 million more than went to Major League Baseball games that year. There would be three Parades of Progress, the last in 1956.
By 1940, the Parade had proven so successful that GM had to construct a bigger tent to hold the crowds. The original eight vans were replaced by 12 completely new and custom vehicles that GM named “Futurliners,” plus a display shaped like one of the buses that had an animated diorama called Our American Crossroads that showed how 20th-century America developed along with the automobile.
The vehicle currently up for sale is one of those Futurliners. The design, attributed to Harley Earl, has unique styling, to say the least. It’s tall and narrow, almost 12 feet tall and just 8 feet wide. It weighs about 16.5 tons and stretches 33 feet from tip to tail, with a 248-inch (20.6-foot) wheelbase. For some reason, dual tires were specified up front, each wheel with its own brake drum. Getting four tires to change direction wasn’t easy, so GM installed an early iteration of power steering, which frequently failed due to the load. The six brake drums on the Futurliner were also not quite up to snuff, and one of the parades experienced a rear-end collision between two of the buses. As you can see from the photos taken of another restored Futurliner, number 10, the acrophobic driving position likely took some getting used to.
The Futurliners were originally powered by four-cylinder diesel engines mounted in front under the cab, driving through a 16-speed (four-speed, four-range) manual gearbox. In 1953 GM made both mechanical and cosmetic revisions. The clear plastic dome over the cab was like a greenhouse, making the drivers uncomfortably warm, so it was replaced by a more traditional roof, with a sunroof/hatch. The cabin also gained A/C from GM’s Frigidaire division. The engines were upgraded to 302-cubic-inch six-cylinder diesels from GMS. The transmissions were replaced with four-speed Hydramatic units coupled to another two-speed gearbox and a third three-speed power-take-off unit for a total of 24 ratios. With just 145 hp on tap and a quarter mile time of 41 seconds (trap speed: 28 mph), the Futurliners needed all those gears to get to all those towns.
The actual Futurliners had clamshell sides that opened up to reveal the displays inside. Lightbars rose hydraulically from the roofs to illuminate the Parade of Progress at night.
Barely a year after they were revealed, in the second half of December, 1941, the buses were put into storage: Japan had just attacked Pearl Harbor. The Parade of Progress was brought back in 1953, likely to complement GM’s new Motorama shows, which were staged in major cities and focused more directly on selling cars. While new car models were on display in the Parade of Progress, they were more of a sideshow to the displays on the Futurliners.
An attendee at the first Parade of Progress in 1936 would likely have been astounded at the 1953 show, with displays about jet airplanes, stereophonic high-fidelity sound systems, microwave ovens, and atomic power. However, as television sets became more popular through the ’50s, increasing numbers of people realized could find out about those fascinating new technologies without having to leave home or contend with crowds. Attendance started to decline, and the Parade of Progress ended in 1956.
One Futurliner was destroyed in a wreck in 1956. Of the remaining eleven, nine are known to exist in states ranging from disrepair to full restorations. Seven have either been restored or are considered restorable. The two basketcases have been used to restore other Futurliners. As of ten years ago, one bus was being restored in Sweden. Another, considered to be the most original, was being restored in Utah. That bus has been the template for other restorations. The remains of Futurliner #5, which has donated parts to other restorations, have been converted into a rather clever flatbed car and truck hauler.
In addition to the photos listed by Peter Pan on Facebook Marketplace, I’ve included some photos of Futurliner #10 so you can see what the original instrument panel looks like (the Peter Pan bus has an updated dashboard), as well as some video of it actually being driven.
Why on earth would they sell the thing on FB? They’re automatically limiting their audience – not everyone is on that site, nor wants to be!
There’s already a sale pending! (the old scam? I’m sending a money order and someone else will pick it up?) No jet engine included? (That was one of the displays)
The jet engine Parade of Progress bus was refurbished by Dave Kindig’s shop and featured in the last couple episodes in Season 01 of Bitchin’ Rides. The jet engine was included.
I figure BAT platform wouldn’t work for this sale! LOL
who said that’s the only place they listed it dumb..s
Well guess what; I’m reading about it on Hagerty so I guess it doesn’t really matter where you post the sale, the word does get around. My initial thought was they are using this method of advertising to avoid dealing with time wasters. FaceBook is linked to so many other advertising channels the biggest is word of mouth!
the Futurliner that originally crossed the Barrett-Jackson Auction block during the 35th Scottsdale Anniversary Auction in 2006 was purchased for $4.4 million winning bid. Amazing selling prices before the 2009 meltdown.
That is weird. I seem to remember one of these sold a decade or so ago at either Barrett-Jackson or Mecum and it went for considerably over $1M.
If he was really serious about selling it for almost $1 million, he would have listed it on Craigslist – lots more money there.[s]
Ig he was really serious about selling this for almost $1 million, he would have listed it on Craigslist – lots more money there. [s]
When I was a kid I saw one of these on display at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. It was there many years with the diorama on continual operation. It always fascinated me. It is no longer there. Can anyone tell me where it ended up?
I remember that too, Joe!
What you saw at the MSI was the display of the interior of that bus with the cars going back-and-forth on the road and the thing flipping around to different ears, but the body was a mock up. It was not the real thing I asked.
“Our American Crossroads” was an animated display in a mocked-up Futurliner. It’s now part of GM’s corporate collection and was most recently on display in their Heritage Center.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIH6xofTCZU
Wow that is fantastic! Is it possible I saw one of those at the Peterson Automotive in Los Angeles some years ago?
The Peterson currently has 2 (I think) on display with another on its way from the National Truck & Bus Museum in Auburn In. I think the display lasts til next year
I need to check that place out
One of these languished for years parked on the street in Sherman Oaks, Ca.
I understand it was eventually restored.
Saw this at a Smith & Wesson car show in Springfield ,Mass a few years ago…….it was also at the Big E fair . Beautiful restoration and so rare , such history . To sell it on Facebook marketplace , the place to find free washing machines and curb alert furniture is so bizarre . I’m sure they’re getting emails right now from people offering $6500 for it , or wanting to trade it for house painting services . Wouldn’t it fair better on a MECUM AUCTION or Barrett-Jackson ?
Pretty sure one was sold to Ron Pratt several years ago at one of the BJ shows. Probably a decade or longer.
A few random thoughts:
1) Shout-outs to anyone who drove one without power steering.
2) It must have been like sitting in a 747 cockpit and unable to see anything on the runway directly below you.
3) Good thing even “small” cars were large back then.
4) Remember when most Americans were optimistic about the future?
5) I always enjoy “I know what I’ve got” sellers
Yes, about your #4, optimism. All I could think of while reading this was that business held up its end of the bargain for a healthy, happy America but the “Education” system (mostly anti-reason and anti-capitalism) let us down. I blame John Dewey, the founder of the current education philosophy for this. The contrast between the 1940s and now is glaring and tragic.
i still drive a right side seat, left hand stick and no power steering (not to mention no a/c). keeping my mind, body, eye, hand coordination intact. i will not relinquish my power over the car. i drive the car- it does not drive me.
no gps, no cruise control, no computers. luddite!
i still buy folding road maps and guides. and i get lost without freaking out.
No airbags, either –- we die like REAL MEN!
As of 11:56 ET August 9, There is a notation on the Marketplace listing saying “Sale Pending”.
Well itis now listed with sale pending, I quess FB worked great deal if you have the $s
I have this vague memory of some sort of fantastic, super cool, spaceship like vehicle I saw when I was about 6 years old. I’m thinking it might have been one of these (it doesn’t seem nearly so special now).
Clearly from a time when GM management had enough imagination to see the value of inspiring young people to see a future that included the possibility of becoming part of making it all happen. It should be remembered that at this time, GM was also developing degreed engineers at it’s own college (General Motors Institute) and finding designers (with the Fisher Body Craftsmen’s Guild). Kettering and Sloan thought big and understood that these things ultimately would pay off. Leaders look beyond the quarterly balance sheets.
What an inexpensive opportunity for GM to get one of these back, hopefully to share it with various museums so that younger generations could see what it used to be like.
Regarding Facebook marketplace, it’s the new craigslist. Craigslist is turning into a Ghost Town and Facebook has more reach.
The coach is kind of cool and I’ve known about them for a long time, but the drunken bids of Barrett Jackson auctions shouldn’t set the price on that thing. I mean, it doesn’t do anything. It’s a bread box on wheels. Yes I get the history and it looks pretty terrific, but rarity and age don’t always equal desirability. The 1990s restoration definitely looks old on the interior and it’s been used as a promotional vehicle. At $1 million I would expect it to be perfect still, somebody will buy it. A fool and his money…
IMHO FBM sucks. It’s hard to search and shows me things that I do care to see. The “algorithm”!
CL on the other hand is polluted with keyword spammers.
Both are replete with flakes and a heavy sprinkling of scammers.
Sigh.
I’m surprised not to see any mention of the restoration Kindig did on the unit which contained the Jet Engine and models of planes…also, the series did feature Kevin driving the vehicle “without” power-steering…
I believe the reference to the one restored in Utah is the KinDigIt restoration. That one was over-the-top.
Others have reportedly been sold for over $2.6 million and $4 million. $1 million may be a real bargain, depending upon condition, originality, and authenticity.
I saw the series about the Kindigit design on the Futureliner. It must be an old article, as it stated “one was being restored in Utah,”
Yep, the Kindig series was a magic watch. There was a LOT of work needed to resurect that Futurliner!
We had one in Kansas City several years ago & I was able to sit in the drivers seat – it’s hard to fathom driving one of these cross country in 1950’s. They are a remarkable piece of engineering and I’m glad a majority have been saved. But more need to return to what they displayed back in the day (like the kindigit resto)
For those interested, Bruce Berghoff and George Ferris wrote a two part book “General Motors Parade of Progress & A Futurliner Returns” published in 2007. I picked up a copy at the Gilmore Museum back then while attending the Cadillac LaSalle Club Fall Festival. Part 1 is all about the Parade of Progress and Part 2 features Futurliner #10 and the story of its restoration. It was on display at the Gilmore and you could ascend the stairs and sit in the drivers seat. Amazing stuff. A P Sloan Jr and CF Kettering were probably two of the most far sighted business execs that ever lived. If you like automotive history, you’ll enjoy this book. Well worth adding to your library IMO.
One further note, if you want to read more about The Parade of Progress and Futurliner #10’s history, restoration etc., visit https://futurliner.org/
Thanks!
I would have replied sooner but the Hagerty steam-operated, belt-driven algorithm told me I am posting too quickly. My last post was at 11:56 AM. Ha!
The Peterson currently has 2 (I think) on display with another on its way from the National Truck & Bus Museum in Auburn In. I think the display lasts til next year
I agree. It seems like more than 1 post a day will get the OVERLY SENSITIVE POST POLICE to censure you or say it’s ‘UNDER MODERATION” whatever the hell that is!!