3 Automotive Urban Legends, Hoaxes, and Conspiracy Theories

Fish Carburetor Co.

Automobiles have been around for more than 120 years. It shouldn’t be surprising that, over that time, myths and lore have accumulated. Some of those stories are indeed true, like that of Henry Ford physically attacking the prototype of the restyled Model T that his son Edsel had commissioned on the sly. Others are fanciful and have that certain ring of urban legend, and there are even those stories alleged to involve dark secrets and conspiracies. Even paranoids can have actual enemies, of course, but most conspiracy theories deserve their association with headgear made of thin sheets of refined bauxite. However, as the rabbis of the Talmud taught, no lie can stand without a grain of truth to make it believable.

So without further delay, let’s look at three popular stories that are often repeated in various iterations as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, that people swear happened to a friend of a friend of a friend. Enjoy the read, and then in the comments below, please tell us your favorite automotive urban legend, myth, or conspiracy theory.

Myth #1: Henry Ford’s Specifications for Parts Crates Allowed Him to Recycle the Wood as Floorboards

Our first tall tale has to do with Henry Ford, the subject of many such yarns. Allegedly, Ford Motor Company specified the size of crates used by component suppliers so the boxes could be carefully broken down and the wood panels repurposed as floorboards for Model Ts.

My favorite, rather elaborate, version of this story (elucidated here at the Jalopy Journal) hinges on what kind of plywood Ford used for floorboards. Of course, one commenter says, “the facts are true.”

Apparently, one of his outsource CEO’s got a call from Henry, not in regard to the product being sent to Ford, but the containers they were being shipped in. Ford started growling at the guy that the boxes were unacceptable and needed to be changed IMMEDIATELY! Ford then gave the fellow instruction on what type of wood to use, new dimensions, AND where to drill the holes and what type screws to use.

Now, as soon as the gentleman was off the phone with Henry, he was back on with of Ford’s execs, along the lines of, “the guy has finally cracked, etc”.

Well, the day came for the first shipment to arrive. Ford came down to the loading dock, with a train of exec’s waiting to see whether or not Ol’ Henry was ready for the happy farm… Ford asked one of his employees to move one of the boxes over to the assembly line, took off his jacket, unscrewed one of the boxes and put the board onto a chassis that was on the line.

I know that I embellished a bit (been a while since I’ve heard the story), and I don’t know what year it was, but the facts are true—Ford got free floorboards out of his supplier.

In reality, not much of that story is true, although Ford did use a lot of wood in making the Model T. It’s estimated that each Model T used about 100 board feet of lumber—for the floorboard, toeboard, dashboard, spokes for the “artillery” style wheels, and a wooden frame for the body’s steel panels.

Also, after the Dodge brothers (who were his primary supplier) parted with Ford, Ford Motor Company developed into one of the most vertically integrated manufacturing firms in history. Eventually, FoMoCo made its own steel from ore mined from its own mines, its own glass, and Henry even tried growing his own rubber trees in the Amazon. There was a period when Ford didn’t have that many outside suppliers. Because of his need for wood Ford owned about a half-million acres of forest in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, along with three lumber mills as well as a large industrial facility in Iron Mountain for milling that wood into usable parts. If anyone was making wood crates for Ford parts, it was Ford. Those wood crates, however, were not recycled into floorboards. There was a special department at the Rouge facility for recycling that wood into other crates.

Crate recycling department, Ford Highland Park Plant Ford Motor Co.

The urban legend dates back over a century. In fact, in 1922, the financial and business editor of the New York Tribune wrote Henry Ford to verify the story and Edsel Ford’s office replied, saying there was “no truth whatever” in the story.

Ford Motor Co. Archives

One part of the story that is true: Henry Ford was very much into recycling. The Iron Mountain facility didn’t just make wood parts (and bodies for “woodie” station wagons and eventually military gliders during WWII as well). It processed sawdust, wood scraps, and other waste materials into usable materials like methanol, creosote, and charcoal briquettes.

Myth #2: GM Bought Up Streetcar Companies to Kill Public Transportation and Sell More Cars

Downtown Chicago traffic 1953
Bettmann Archive/Getty images

The idea of big corporations conspiring to increase profits at the public’s expense is an easy one to sell to credulous people, even some who are initially skeptical.

This particular conspiracy theory has been amplified by Hollywood, via the 1988 film Who Framed Roger Rabbit? and on public television through the documentary Taken for a Ride. Here’s how it goes: In the mid-20th century, American cities had inexpensive, efficient, and convenient public transportation provided by streetcars running on rails and powered by overhead cables. General Motors changed all that when it bought up streetcar companies and purposefully stymied them by increasing fares and decreasing service. All of this was supposedly a step in ultimately replacing them with buses that were more profitable to GM, but less convenient to riders. In turn, the add-on effect would be to persuade now-unhappy public transportation riders to switch to privately owned automobiles.

Grand Rapids Historical Society

We actually know the origin of this conspiracy theory. Fifty years ago, a newly hired attorney named Bradford Snell, working for the U.S. Senate on antitrust matters, testified that the government had criminally charged “…General Motors and allied highway interests for their involvement in the destruction of 100 electric rail…systems… throughout the country.”

Snell further said that a “federal jury convicted GM of having criminally conspired with…others to replace electric transportation with gas or diesel-powered buses,” and that the streetcar systems had been “vastly superior” in terms of speed and comfort to the internal-combustion-engine-powered buses that took their place.

Chicago Trolley to Busing transition
Flickr/milantram/Peter Ehrlich Collection

Snell concluded,

“The noisy, foul-smelling buses turned earlier patrons of the high-speed rail systems away from public transit, and, in effect, sold millions of private automobiles…General Motors’ destruction of electric transit systems across the country left millions of urban residents without an attractive alternative to automotive travel.”

Let’s break this down. It’s indeed a historical fact that the General Motors-affiliated companies (with investments from Firestone, Standard Oil and other companies in the oil and transportation sectors) National City Lines and Pacific City Lines started to purchase municipal trolley systems starting in the late 1930s. It’s also a fact that, in a few short years, those streetcar lines went out of business, to be replaced by municipal bus lines. As well, it’s a historical fact that GM, Pacific City, and other firms were indicted in 1947 for conspiring to monopolize the interstate sale of buses, fuel, tires, and other supplies to their captured transportation companies, as well as conspiring to form a transportation monopoly. While most of those companies were convicted on charges of monopolizing the sale of buses and related materials, they were acquitted of the charge of trying to monopolize transportation in general.

Transportation Quarterly is an academic journal published by the non-partisan Eno Transportation Foundation. In 1997 it published a paper by Cliff Slater titled General Motors and the Demise of Streetcars arguing that there was no conspiracy. Slater argued that the trolley systems were replaced by buses for strictly economic reasons. Buses were cheaper to run than streetcars and were much less expensive to implement because they didn’t need railways. Cities and suburbs were expanding rapidly, and it was much easier, cheaper, and faster to simply add another bus stop on existing roads, rather than extend the rails.

The paper further asserts that it wasn’t the death of streetcars that increased private car ownership; it was the other way around. Before the popularization of the private automobile, if you wanted to get to work on time, you took pains to live within a 30-minute walk of a streetcar line. The convenience of driving directly to one’s destination in privacy and comfort won out over taking a crowded trolley and then having to walk blocks from the trolley stop to one’s final destination. Additionally, having a private automobile makes shopping and carrying home your purchases more convenient.

In 2010, CBS’s Mark Henricks reported:

There is no question that a GM-controlled entity called National City Lines did buy a number of municipal trolley car systems. And it’s beyond doubt that, before too many years went by, those street car operations were closed down. It’s also true that GM was convicted in a post-war trial of conspiring to monopolize the market for transportation equipment and supplies sold to local bus companies. What’s not true is that the explanation for these events is a nefarious plot to trade private corporate profits for viable public transportation.

Myth #3: The 200-Mile-Per-Gallon Carburetor

This myth also has to do with alleged suppression. In this case, oil and car companies supposedly kept a highly efficient carburetor off of the market.

In truth there are, ahem, manifold reasons why the auto industry moved away from carburetors and embraced electronic fuel injection. Controlling emissions was probably the, ahem, driving factor but the simple fact is that fuel injection works better. (Editor’s Note: Ronnie’s throat-clearing quota has been reached. One more and we pay him in lozenges.) What’s surprising is that despite the indisputable superiority of fuel injection, stories about miracle carburetors continue circulating to this day. What’s not surprising is that, despite the change in technology, there are still dubious fuel-saving devices on the marke. Many claim to work via your car’s OBD II port or even the 12V power socket.

As with other urban legends and conspiracy theories, this one has a compelling story. Variations abound.

Here’s the gist: Someone takes delivery of a car from a major automaker. In some versions it’s a retirement gift from the company, in others a couple arranges for a factory delivery. They are shocked to discover that the car achieves unheard-of fuel economy. In some tellings, it’s 100 mpg; in others, it’s as much as 200. Of course, nobody can ever prove it because these stories usually end in one of four conspiracy-laden ways:

  • Mysterious men show up, pop the hood, make a few adjustments and the magical mileage returns to normal.
  • The automaker recalls the car. It is either replaced by another car or the original car is returned, minus the unusually efficient gas mileage.
  • Guys in suits with briefcases of cash show up and make an offer that can’t be refused.
  • The car is stolen or otherwise disappears overnight.

The popularity of this particular urban legend has arguably tilled fertile ground for scam artists promoting dubious inventions. You may have heard of scams such as the “Fish Carburetor.” To make matters more confusing, while there have been multiple cases of such fraudulent products, there was a genuine, non-scam Fish carburetor.

We’ll get to the real-deal Fish carb in a moment, but first, let’s look at the Pogue carburetor. The Pogue’s story contains many elements essential to nonsense narratives of this type, though I think the story might be best characterized as a hoax, rather than a scam, since no money or products ever changed hands.

motorists wanted gas saving test
Mechanix Illustrated/The Vacu-Matic Co.

Charles Nelson Pogue (1897-1985) was a mechanic and inventor from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. From 1927 to 1934, Pogue successfully filed for four carburetor patents, U.S. patent 1,750,354U.S. patent 1,938,497U.S. patent 1,997,497, and U.S. patent 2,026,798. While some reports describe Pogue’s carburetors as catalytic, none of the patents mention the use of catalysts. What the patents do mention is vaporization. Some context: One problem that affected early carburetors was an inability to fully aerosolize fuel, resulting in small drops of liquid fuel remaining unburned. If you could better vaporize the fuel, people deduced, you’d get more power and better fuel economy because of more complete combustion.

In 1936, the Canadian Automotive Trade magazine reported that a car equipped with the new carb was able to travel 1879 miles on just 14.5 gallons of gasoline. (That works out to 129.5 mpg.) A Winnipeg car dealership manager claimed to have achieved 217 mpg after fitting a Pogue carburetor to his car. Another dealer claimed to have gone 26 miles on just one pint, which is 208 mpg. As the stories spread through Canada, the reports and rumors proliferated.

To his credit, Pogue denied these reports. Some said that thieves had broken into Pogue’s shop and had stolen some of his carburetors to either discover its secrets and/or suppress its production. Wealthy Canadian backers were rumored to be negotiating with Pogue for the rights but the deals somehow never came to fruition. Some believed Ford of Canada had bought the rights to the technology.

P.M. Heldt, the engineering editor of Automotive Industries magazine during that period, in regard to a diagram of the Pogue carburetor, said, “The sketch fails to show any features hitherto unknown in carburetor practice, and absolutely gives no warrant for crediting the remarkable results claimed.”

Critics wanted to see the miracle carburetor, but Pogue apparently never demonstrated a working version, nor did his carburetor ever see series production. Of course, as these things go, the fact that the Pogue carb never saw the light of day is pointed to as further evidence of the conspiracy to suppress it. Thus, the story continues to be perpetuated. The fact that there is no record of Pogue ever assigning rights to his patents to anyone, including car and oil companies, doesn’t get as much air among conspiracy theorists.

Fish Carburetors under production in Daytona, Florida Fish Carburetor Co.

Unlike the Pogue carburetor, the Fish Carburetor Company actually produced working carburetors—over 125,000 of them from 1947 to 1959. Invented by hot rodder John Robert Fish in the early 1930s, and protected by three U.S. patents, the Fish design was meant to solve the problem of carburetors’ float chambers. Carburetors use a float chamber to meter fuel to the jets; the chamber fills with fuel and a float attached to a valve shuts off the fuel when the chamber is filled. Acceleration, cornering, and braking forces can affect the position of both the float and the fuel, interfering with fuel delivery and causing drivability issues.

Fish Carburetor

The original intention of the Fish carburetor was to avoid the weaknesses of the float chamber and its sensitivity to the forces of acceleration and cornering. The sources I found give two different descriptions of how Fish’s invention worked: One source says that the carb operates on pressure differential—not air speed. The other says that it sensed the mass of the airflow rather than the volume. Either way, the Fish device was said to be self-adjusting and self-compensating to changes in weather or altitude. The Fish design also did away with accelerator pumps with a clever ram air design.

Instead of the single jet of conventional units, the Fish carb delivered fuel using six to ten jets built into the throttle spindle, which was said to produce better fuel atomization and vaporization, thus improving fuel economy, power, and cold-weather starting. Fish claimed 20 percent better fuel economy and 30 percent more horsepower when compared to conventional carburetors.

The Fish carb got a publicity boost when stock car legend Fireball Roberts swapped out the OEM four-barrel carb in his Hudson Hornet racer for a couple of Fish units, to some success. The Fish induction system became popular in the early days of stock car racing.

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Now here’s where the Fish story gets a little bit, ahem, fishy. (Editor’s Note: So will it be Halls or Ricola?) Supposedly, original equipment carburetor makers conspired to put Fish out of business. Fireball Roberts was said to have done well in qualifying, but somehow his tires never lasted the way they did for factory-supported stock car teams. The United States Post Office allegedly started marking all of Fish’s shipments “FRAUDULENT,” returning them to sender with claims that the carburetors were not actually being produced. (That’s a little bit odd considering that there’s an archival photo of the production line in Daytona.)

It’s worth remembering that the era in which Bob Fish was operating was one during which time federal bureaucrats and prosecutors effectively put Preston Tucker out of business, though a jury acquitted him and his associates of any wrongdoing. It thus seems possible that overzealous postal inspectors, concerned about gas-saving gadget scams, targeted an innocent company.

Hakes.com

The way the story goes, the Post Office’s actions resulted in the carburetor’s rights being reassigned to a Canadian company, which sold them outside of the United States.

The Fish carburetor truly did develop a following in the hot rod community, and the Brown Carburetor Company of Draper, Utah put it back into production, making about 10,000 new Fish-design carburetors from 1981 to 1996.

On the Jalopy Journal forum site, a poster said a friend tested a Fish carburetor versus a conventional unit on his 1961 Ford six-cylinder standard transmission station wagon. Over 1000 miles of testing with each carb, the Fish improved mileage by about 10 percent but at the cost of losing about 30 percent of the power as well as having less torque, affecting drivability.

How, then, can we explain the success that Fireball Roberts had with the Fish carb? Well, they do apparently work well at wide-open throttle, which also explains their popularity with period hot rods. The two Fish carbs that Roberts used had approximately 40 percent more venturi area than the stock four-barrels.

By the mid-1950s, carburetor design from major manufacturers like Holley, Carter, Stromberg, and Rochester had improved significantly. And, seeing as the Fish carburetor appears to have had some drawbacks in street-use vehicles, it’s understandable how it faded from the market via natural causes, so to speak. Combine Roberts’ success with a disappearing act and you have, ahem, fuel for conspiracy fancies about magical carburetors.

Please let us know about your favorite automotive urban legends, conspiracy theories, frauds, or hoaxes in the comments below!

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    After WW2 in England a friend of my Dad bought a small truck at an army surplus sale. The deal was he had to take it with the two crates in the bed. Each turned out to contain a brand new motorcycle.

    Don’t know how true it is but I heard the story of a couple that was divorcing. The husband took a long business trip and told his wife to sell his Ferrari while he was gone. She did. For $1.

    Why hasn’t some technical genius been able to make an EV that could be self charging for extended driving, say across country. I just did a 26 day road trip that couldn’t have been done while relying on charging stations. Except for major routes there wouldn’t be any places to charge and the waiting times would make a trip too long to enjoy travel.

    Interesting to write an article about conspiracy theories and hoaxes and premise it on an unsupported, conspiratorial false quote attributed to Rabbis and the Talmud.
    Is this Hegarty policy or is it just the anti-Semitism of the writer?

    There was a device out here in Australia. You bolted it on, connected it to the battery and your car would never rust!!
    A friend bought one, it did not work, but flattened the car’s battery if left unattended. People are forever hopeful!

    That’s real. You can use electrolysis to dissociate water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burn them in the engine. The problem is, water is much more stable than hydrogen and oxygen, so it takes more energy to make the “fuel “ than you get back by running the engine. That part isn’t normally mentioned, of course.

    Regarding the GM bus story, the story that you told here, and debunked, is not the story that I was told when I was younger.

    The story I heard was not that GM bought up streetcar companies (which would seem suspicious anyway, as those companies were losing money).

    The story I heard was that in the late thirties GM offered GMC buses to municipal transit agencies (which were still strapped for money as the depression lifted, and had deferred maintenance and purchases) under unjustifiably good terms (low prices in the form of long-term loans at low rates), with the condition that for the terms to take effect / continue, they were required to pave over or tear up their trolley tracks.
    They don’t pave, the terms revert to something unpalatable.
    So they paved, enjoyed cheap buses, and scrapped worn-out, outmoded street cars.

    I have not seen THAT story refuted, and would be interested if anybody here could do so.

    Also, urban trolleys were not the only kind of public rail transport around at the turn of the 20th Century.
    Where I once lived in Maine there had been (until the thirties) a narrow-gauge electric “interurban line,” which connected all of the towns along the coast from Kittery up past Portland.
    The cars were subway-like, with a single large headlight above their front doors.
    The trains ran at speeds of 55-60mph, and could get you from Kennebunkport to downtown Portland in 1910 faster than you could drive there now. (See: https://trolleymuseum.org/ )
    So, as much as the automobile did enhance convenience and independence, folks back in the “horse and buggy days” actually got around pretty well, too.

    I worked at EG & G Automotive Research in San Antonio fifty years ago. They had an emissions laboratory certified to EPA standards. It was not uncommon to have the ‘pills in the gas tank’ or ‘magic muffler’ people come in to run back-to-back tests hoping to show some benefit for their invention. They always left disappointed.

    Anyone else remember the eledctric jet needles? They were supposed to heat the fuel and give better gas mileage and power. My brother in law bought a set for his chevy van. They heated things up relly well and warped the base plate on his Holly 4bbl.

    Okay ;

    I made it through the first page of replies, pretty amusing .

    FWIW, it the very late 1970’s a Customer came in with a black VW Typ III “Squareback” he’d purchased for scrap value at a Sheriff’s auction in Northern California .

    The previous owner had driven it into the woods and cobbled up a cardboard plate for the driver’s side window and connected a hose to it from the engine’s single exhaust .

    He then ran the engine until he died of carbon monoxide poisoning, what they never tell you about is : when you die from this you puke and crap your pants .

    The car sits there in the woods for months and a bear smells it, rips the cardboard window out, crawls inside the dismembers and eats the dead guy .

    He’d had to re trim the entire inside of the car and it still smelled like death, anyone who went near it immediately asked “? did someone _DIE_ in that car ?” .

    He wasn’t able to sell it and so sold it to us, I spent the better part of a year fuming it and it never did loose the small completely .

    So yes, there _are_ death cars out there ~ a Mechanic I worked with had a spiffy BMW and was driving with his son (about 8 Y.O.) when a horse ran up the embankment and came through the windshield, landed in the back seat with it’s throat cut by the broken windshield, all the foot wells were full 6″ deep with horse blood and guts .

    He left the car at the impound yard .

    One more : I bought my house in 1988, the neighbors soon came and asked me was I the VW guy who bought junk VW’s ?. yes, I am, they had in the garage a 1963 VW Beetle that had been left by the owner who went off to Vietnam and never came home .

    The car was is pretty good shape, the windows had been left open and a dog got in and chewed all the upholstery except the door cards and headliner to bits . someone else stole the deck lid and air cleaner, the garage’s roof leaked and the engine filled with water and corroded into one solid lump .

    In the glove box I found all the paper work for a nice three band AM/FM/SW Blaupunkt radio, the dash had an open hole from said radio having been stolen .

    Some kids had walked down the driver’s side of the car hitting it with a hammer that had a checkered face, they broke all the lights but no windows .

    I bought the car sans title to use as nice parts (rust free !) on my old 1960 #117 sunroof sedan, after I cleaned out the dried dog poop that was level with the seats I realized this junker wasn’t a junker, I put an old 36HP engine I had lying around into it, new tires and brakes , battery, deck lid and so on, got title to it and it was my daily driver for many years, back then no one liked old beat up VW’s (! PATINA !) , I didn’t even wax it because the checkered face of the hammer still showed in each and every fender dent .

    I had the seats re done in the correct brick red color from boat materiel, when a valve spring lost tension I lost interest and it sat a few years, the young Hispanic guy I sold it to still had it last thing I knew, kept it it the El Monte, Ca. air port and swears he’ll never restore it .

    -Nate

    When it come to EV efficiency, lets take a look at the the loses. First burn fuel to heat water into steam and the heat leaving the stack, then the frictional losses in the rotating mass of the generator and internal restive losses in the windings. Step-up transformers, transmission lines and step-down transformers all add more loss. Then finally the last loss in the chain is the local battery charger with about a 90% efficiency. Or, take the fuel and put it in your tank.

    Conversely, instead of charging your EV battery at home or wait in a long line we could have a “Battery Station” in lieu of a gas station. Pull into the station, your battery is lowered from your EV then exchanged with a charged unit and off you go. Same down time as a fill-up. You don’t own the battery, just exchange it. Okay Elon, here’s an opportunity, get on it!

    Factories and warehouses use electric lift trucks and other vehicles so there is no exhaust or pollution. The batteries are exchanged easily in minutes and then recharged. Why don’t the auto manufacturers do the same? You could pull into the changing station and swop your spent battery for a fresh one in minutes and be on your way instead of waiting hours for a charge. Maybe some day they will figure it out.

    Don’t know where you heard this, but the batteries for things like a forklift typically weigh around a ton and are not “easily” replaced. Typically they are not replaced until they don’t function well any more. Charging time for the traditional lead/acid batteries runs about 8 hours and the battery must be allowed to cool afterwards. The new L-Ions charge in about an hour and do not have to cool down before use. It is recommended that you don’t start charging unless the battery is at least 20% discharged.

    If the topic is urban legends, then Henry Ford’s $5 per 8 hr. day should be at the top of the list. His staff and quite likely his accountant should be given credit for the statement.

    This is not another myth or hoax. It is absolutely true.
    About 1/2 a century ago I owned a 1970 or so Chrysler 300 sled that weighed close to 6000 lbs and got horrible gas mileage like they all did.
    It had a 440 cu in engine, perhaps it was a 383 don’t remember. It was green that is a fact. lol

    On longer trips it would at random give one pop through the carb which was a 4bbl Rochester Quadrajet I believe and it would continue running just fine but the fuel mileage went to at least 40 plus mpg and would continue like that until I turned it off and restarted it.

    When it was doing that it obviously was running lean but still had what seemed like the same power and did not run hotrer according to the temp gauge.

    I was tempted to disassemble the carb to look but didn’t expect to find anything and also didn’t want to stop it from a repeat as I liked the gas savings so I never did.

    It was all stock with no engine mods whatsoever.

    That proved to me much better fuel economy was certainly possible from a carb engine than cars were getting without destruction of the engine.

    Drove it a few thousand miles like that.

    I thought the fuel gage was on the Fritz the first time as it stayed on full for what seemed like forever driving at highway speed.

    After experiencing that and reading this article here regarding devices to increase fuel mileage I have with little skepticism and suggest some of the inventions stated may well have been able to boost mileage. Perhaps some claims as to their abilities were exaggerated a bit or a lot but increased mileage per gallon was and is certainly possible.

    It worked perfectly

    My dad was an experimental technician at the Warren Army Tank Arsenal and worked on testing the Fish carbs on Jeeps and 2 1/2 ton trucks in 1959 the year that the Speedway opened.
    They used the Speedway as well as public roads for their testing.
    They were there from January through June. My Mom and myself accompanied him, I missed most of Kindergarten but I think it was a better learning experience than going to school.
    My dad did get ride around the Speedway with and in Fireball Roberts race car.
    One of the project engineers obtained an “inventory” of Fish carbs and in the late 60’s sent some to my dad to try and sell. We were at Temple Academy Dragway (also known as Little River) and had people try them on their 6 cylinder cars. They worked rather well on Chevys and Fords but not on Mopar slant 6’s. Unfortunately I had a 1963 Dodge Dart 170 slant 6 and the Fish carb was terrible on it.
    My dad had a really cool career, he even worked on a nuclear test project at the Mercury test site in Nevada, I missed a good portion of 3 grade on that assignment.

    I recommend FISHerman’s Friend lozenges, personally! I know nothing of carburettors except you don’t go far without one in an older car.

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